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MOD POST: Changes

Dearest members,

After much talking amongst myself and the other mod here at indigenous_intl, we have decided to implement a few changes here and to reiterate a few things.

1) This community is an indigenous safe space. In other words, if you are interested in indigenous cultures and traditions, or want to be an "ally" to indigenous folk, that is all well and good, but from now on this community is for indigenous people only. We hope to not have to ban anyone, so if you do not identify as indigenous, please leave this comm. You'd be better served at nativeamerican or indi_issues (if you have a comm not native to the americas specific for this, please let me know). To be clear, Romani are indigenous. We are not close-minded here, nor do we intend to be America-specific.

2) For all new members, PLEASE do the intro survey. It feels odd to be in a community where some haven't introduced themselves! Really, it doesn't take much time at all, so I'd like to suggest that members who have yet to do this do theirs and for any new members please do this within 2 weeks of your joining.

3) The above being said, we are requesting that all entries from now on be friends-locked. This is a place for indigenous peoples to relate with one another and hold discussions, and friends-locking the entries will prevent any "flaming" from non-members. For any potential members, please read the userinfo before joining! If you have any questions, bellvampress & ardienteelsol are here to help.

4) Post away! :D And thank you for your time and being great members!

The Meh-shii-kah tribe

Sociedad Mexica Nihilista - para Restaurar el Santidad de Vida

Para restaurar el santidad de Vida... Nihilism, or a Castanedan removal of preconception, leads to cosmic idealism...naturalism, eugenesia, nationalism, and meritocracy. The core philosophy of Modern society -- materialist individualism/humanism -- is corrupt by the nature of human individual selfishness, thus the SMN is against all utilitarian, liberal, capitalist societies and overpopulation / environmental destruction.

Thinking is Dangerous

New member intro

Name:  Lisa

Country you live in: England (married an englishman and am divorcing that englishman)

Country you identify with:
I identify with my people and the places where we are; Its hard to identify overall with a country that actively egages in systematic apartheid against its indigenous population. and where we tend to be invisible in the mainstream.

What Indigenous Group do you identify with:
Nanticoke and Lenni Lenape Native Americans of Delaware and New Jersey. My family are mainly Nanticoke from Delaware.
www.nanticokeindians.org
www.nanticoke-lenape.org

Languages spoken: English, French

Did you grow up with the culture?
Not entirely, I grew up in the Philly, but spent summers in our tribal areas (DE, VA, MD, NJ).

What is the biggest misconception about your culture/country: 
That we Native Americans/First Nations people are all drunks, junkies and lazy . That we are rolling in money either from Casinos or the government. And the government really looks after us...  I could go on but I need to stop lol

Please tell us more about yourself!:
Graphic Designer/Digital Artist/Writer now living in London. The Day job is in investment banking, but I also write and co-edit a Pan-African Magazine based in the UK.

new member intro

Name: metachromatik
Country you live in: US
Country you identify with: um, yeah.
What Indigenous Group do you identify with: i'm romani and couri said that we're welcome here. i'm also of cree ancestry but that doesn't exactly count as it's like 1/32 and i wasn't raised in the culture at all
Languages spoken: english, very small amounts of romani and high school spanish
Did you grow up with the culture? yes
What is the biggest misconception about your culture/country: culture: that it doesn't exist; country: that we have one and it's romania
Please tell us more about yourself!: you would like me if you got to know me, which was a lot easier before i'd developed a fear of internet strangers, as lj drama can do to you
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  • maldito

Should the "owners" of a language be permitted to forbid its use to criticize them?

That's the title of an article I saw to a blog here:

http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/003907.html

I meant to post that in my own journal but I had sent it to 2 people who are on my friends' list and already one of them said something stupid and I kinda went off on him politely telling him that he's a damn language geek.

In that blog it basically misinterprets the whole issue. They write, Here's a question: if the use of a language has to be licensed by the tribal elders, can they withhold this permission from someone who wants to criticize them, or to say something else that they don't approve of? That isn't the case really. It's not about licensing a language and I didn't have to read the original article that blog was referring to in order to know that.

Previously that author Mark Liberman posted this:

http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/languagelog/archives/003819.html

He writes: In particular, it's not clear from the article what the basis for the suit is, or what relief is being sought. The theory may be that a language is a piece of property belonging to (some representative body of) the people who speak it. But on the contrary, it says exactly what the lawsuit is about.

http://today.reuters.com/news/ArticleNews.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-11-23T174049Z_01_N22384122_RTRUKOC_0_US-CHILE-MAPUCHES-MICROSOFT.xml

In that article it says that Microsoft said it wanted to help Mapuches embrace the digital age and open a window so that the rest of the world can access the culture riches of this indigenous people. What does "access cultural riches" mean to you? Sounds like a door to be open to gain access into one's culture if you ask me. Therefore, the Mapuche tribal leaders have accused the company of violating their cultural and collective heritage. And how did they do that? That's where the translation comes in without consulting the people whom it mattered to. This was never about owning a language like Liberman said.

The article continues and justifies Microsoft's actions based on previous translation into "a dozen" indigenous American languages without any opposition. And what do these other indigenous groups have to do with the Mapuches? Nothing really, they're not the same! The article then tries to pain a picture of the Mapuches as being the most ferocious, blah, blah, blah, you get the picture.

I'm so sick and tired of people using the whole "ownership" crap as a tool, especially when they have no clue about what the culture means to a group of people whose culture is at risk when it comes to survival.
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  • quamono

Wayúu Encuentro in Colombia-------Encuentro Wayúu en Colombi

Hello,

I'm going to try to make this as brief as possible. Some of you may have recently met Kalaila Barros, a traditional leader of the Wayúu people in Guajira, Colombia who just completed a North American speaking tour. Her group, the Organización Wayuu Munsurat, is organizing the 3rd annual 'Yanama (encuentro) for Women and Territory' in Bahia Portete, Guajira, Colombia. The encuentro will be from about April 14th-21st, 2007 during
the anniversary of the Bahia Portete Massacre.

The encuentro will be accompanying the Wayúu people of Bahia Portete to reoccupy their community that they were displaced from by paramilitaries so that they can pay respects to their dead. This week will also include a fact-finding mission throughout Guajira to document the coal industries effects on local Wayúu & Afro-Colombian communities as well as its effect on the environment.

If people are interested, i have more information about the background of the Wayúu, the region's coal industry, paramilitaries and the encuentro. If you are possibly interested in participating in this event please respond and i will forward you more information. Indigenous folks, people of color, women & youth who are active participants in their home communities are strongly encouraged to participate.

en lucha,
jhon luna- aquamono@riseup.net
organización wayúu munsurat


Other US contacts:

Carol Mosley: Bridges Across Borders
(352) 485-2594 office@bridgesacrossborders.org

Carolina Delgado: South Florida Jobs with Justice
(305) 324-1107 Carolina@sfjwj.org

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Hola,

Voy ser lo mas breve posible. Algunos de ustedes conocieron a Kalaila Barros, una líder tradicional del pueblo Wayúu en la Guajira, Colombia, que recién termino una gira de Norte América. Su grupo, el Organización Wayúu Munsurat, esta organizando el 3º ‘Yanama (encuentro) por Mujeres y Territorio’ en Bahía Portete, Guajira, Colombia. El encuentro va ser del 14-21º de Abril 2007 durante el aniversario de la masacre de Bahía
Portete.

El encuentro será un acompañamiento con los Wayúu de Bahía Portete para reocupar su comunidad para pagar respectos a sus muertos. También en esta semana va ver varios recorridos por la Guajira para documentar los efectos de la industria carbonera en los pueblos Wayúu, Afro-Colombian@s y el medio ambiente.

Si hay personas que están interesados, yo tengo más información sobre los Wayúu, la industria carbonera de la región, los paramilitares y el encuentro. Si estas interesado en participar en este evento por favor responde para que te puedo enviar mas información sobre el. Indígenas, personas de color/raza, mujeres, & jóvenes que son activos en sus comunidades están fuertemente motivados para participar.

en lucha,
jhon luna- aquamono@riseup.net
organización wayúu munsurat


Otros contactos en EEUU:

Carol Mosley: Bridges Across Borders
(352) 485-2594 office@bridgesacrossborders.org

Carolina Delgado: South Florida Jobs with Justice
(305) 324-1107 Carolina@sfjwj.org
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  • maldito

Austronesian origins

Lately I've been involved in a discussion with a young Chamorro from Guam named Brandon who claims he is also of Filipino and "Spaniard" (not Spanish, but later said Hispanic) ancestry. Basically the discussion is where the ancestors of Hawaiians and other Polynesians came from as well as the ancestors of the Chamorros and other Micronesians came from.

The old Express Train from Taiwan to Polynesia (ETTP) theory has been argued for a long time and has become controversial as they find new evidence that disputes that. That theory being that the people moved from the Taiwan area south towards the Philippines and further south to other parts of Southeast Asia and then into Melanesia and from there dispersed into Polynesia and Micronesia. Melanesia, Micronesia and Polynesia comprising areas of many islands in the Pacific Ocean. These group of original people which linguists have coined are known to be AUSTRONESIAN language people.



These people went as far west towards Madagascar, far east as Rapa Nui (Easter Island) and far north as the Hawaiian islands. My own map here shows a bit more on Polynesia.

This theory was based mostly on linguistic evidence and some archeological evidence and is pretty old as far as how long ago they've known this. But recent findings and better technology has helped shed light on this whole theory and has actually shed light on the true origins of both Melanesian and Polynesians.

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